hollow dippers 6/1

[Horsepoor]

Solid upper bearing shells are on my Christmas wish list as well as several sets of spares (life time supply). Is anyone interested in contracting to create a supply so I and others can order? I"ll bet there are are at least a 100 sets available for immediate sale.

[cgwymp]

...didn't the Dursley Listers have a step in the sump that caused an eddy to let the crap have a place to settle out....My understanding is that the Indian copies lack that little detail for some reason.

Not all 'roids lack this feature...

Duly noted and filed. Thanks for the info! Now, which are which?
Ron

I'm not certain, but I think if it has sleeve main bearings instead of TRBs, it will also have the dual sump. That's the case at least with the 8/1 I got from Gary.

[Ronmar]

[Duly noted and filed. Thanks for the info! Now, which are which?
Ron

I don't think there is a way to tell externally.  It depends on what the assembler and or importer specced from the supplier/foundry in india.  Mine has TRB's and the dual/stepped sump.  It also dosn't have the original lister oil fill cover plate on the lower sump, it is solid so you can fill the lower sump completely up to meet the upper sump if desired.  You have to pull an access plate and look inside to see this...

[playdiesel]

Just an old engine guy here and not my intent to be controversial nor claim Listeroid expert status  However I do like talking (typing?) about these subjects.

  I am yet to experience my first clean Indian engine, maybe there are some? Problem with assuming the engine is clean enough is there are other areas that a hollow dipper and a solid upper shell dont "fix",   just at the top of my head I can think of 13 other bushing type bearing surfaces in a CS type engine, likely there are more that didn't cross my mind. The only way to fix these other areas is to fix the sand and slag problem, and your rod bearing problem gets fixed at the same time    The CS engine is overkill to extremes when it comes to bearing areas vs power sent through them..

Off my box, for now anyway



As for the internal differences. As Ron said the Indians will mix and match features to the buyers will, or at times their own will irregardless of what is ordered.  Complete engines are available from almost an exact Lister copies to fully "Indianized"  and anywhere in between. A bushing main engine requires an oil pump, other than that combine options at will it seems?   

[fabricator]

I thought the dipper was supposed to knife thru the oil, not paddle thru it?  Those dippers have the hole in the "paddle" face, not the edge...

Yeah me to, what the heck is going on here? Everything says the dipper is supposed to slice through the oil, so what is it slice or paddle?

[Geno]

Original Lister manuals say slice the oil. I had some bearing problems with the stock setup on my Indian copy. Solid upper shells and a hollow dipper made a huge improvement. I haven't kept track of the hours but there are at least 1500 on the new setup with no noticeable sign of wear. I do have a Frantz bypass oil filter as well. The hollow dippers don't slice. My 4300 hr engine doesn't slobber but the last time I honed the cylinder it took a long time to break it in.

Thanks, Geno

[BruceM]

I like the hollow dipper with solid top bearing setup as well, but I must say it does not stop wear to the rod bearings if there is even a tiny sand source- somewhere hidden. 

Perhaps with bearing shells as good as the original Lister's, the slotted upper rod bearing would be fine, but mine were spauling off metal bits in the high load area on top just as others had described and photographed.  JohnF's solid ones are holding up well.

[sailawayrb]

Perhaps with bearing shells as good as the original Lister's, the slotted upper rod bearing would be fine, but mine were spauling off metal bits in the high load area on top just as others had described and photographed.  JohnF's solid ones are holding up well.

That was and is my exact experience too.  I have not experienced any issues with an other bearings no doubt because I stripped every single part down to raw cast iron or steel via a lye bath, cleaned every part, and then painted/sealed every part before reassembly and before running engine.

Bob B.

[Horsepoor]

Five (5) years ago during the build out phase, I also cleaned all the little tiny pockets of sand out of the engine from all the frequently cites locations. I just like the idea of having the ultimate form of bearing shells (solid upper) and hollow dippers. I have hollow dippers in both my engines as do my neighbors with listeroids, just like to source solid upper bearing shells. I did contact JohnF who only has two standard size solid shells left. I think there is interest in solid upper shells, just like to find a source at a reasonable price for several sets. I know my friends are intersted also.

[mike0000]

Make that 1 set left, I have been in contact with Johnf also, and ordered a set for my 6/1.

Mike

[Horsepoor]

I may have found a source for solid upper bearing shells at a reasonable price:

http://www.hibond.com/

I direct this information to the attention of Dieselgman because for it to be practical and reasonably priced, I'm sure a large production run, and consolidated shipping / import fees will help hold the retail price down. Would you be interested in stocking solid bearing shells and perhaps hollow dippers for listeroids? 

Bruce