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Started by squarebob, February 05, 2012, 03:34:09 PM

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squarebob

I am working on a project for the RC flying club I belong to. We have moved to a new flying field that has no grid power so I am building a a power source. It will consist of an engine driven alternator, and a solar panel to charge 2 6v golf cart batteries in series. It will have 12v and 120 volt outlets. Folks can plug their 12v battery chargers into banana jacks or use 120VAC power from a 1500w inverter. The first phase is the engine driven alternator. I picked up a 99cc, 4 stroke OHV engine from Harbor Freight for $79.00. They claim about 3HP. I then got a 10SI from the auto parts store, $29.00 + $15.00 core charge. I first made some adapter plates to be able to mount the alt in a direct drive setup.
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

squarebob

#1
Next I got the coupler pieces and modified the one to fit on the 10SI. I bored the coupler so I could install the nut and secure the coupler to the alt shaft.
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

squarebob

Now to bolt it all together!! So far things have gone pretty smooth.
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

BioHazard

Nice work! Curious to see how many amps you get...
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?

squarebob

Here is the curve for the 10SI. Looks like I should get about 48 Amps at 3600 RPM and 23 Amps at 1600 RPM. 48 x 14.5V = 580 watts. At 50% efficiency thats 1160w input needed. 2HP per KW = 2.32 HP. So if my math is correct, the little engine should spin the alt with no problems. Hopefully I can get it finished this week and do some testing.

Bob
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

veggie

squarebob,

That's a great little project !
Simple and clean. Should prove to be very reliable.
Rebuild kits for the 10Si are very inexpensive.
Bearings, brushes, and diodes for $20 !

If you every want to step up, I think the 12Si should bolt right in place.
Gives 94 amps and has heavier windings.

nice job,
veggie

Ronmar

You should be able to do 48A on 3HP just fine...  Cool build.  What do you fly?
Ron
"It ain't broke till I Can't make parts for it"

Ronmar

Quote from: squarebob on February 05, 2012, 03:34:09 PM
I then got a 10SI from the auto parts store, $29.00 + $15.00 core charge.

Bob, can you elaborate on this?  Where did you get the 10SI for $29 + $15 core?

Thanks

Ron
Ron
"It ain't broke till I Can't make parts for it"

squarebob

Ronmar, I fly mostly AMA and SPA precision aerobatic pattern planes. This one pictured is powered by a .91 Cu. In. 4 stroke running 30% nitro fuel.
Bob
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

squarebob

#9
Autozone or Advance Auto has the 10SI for $29.99

part # 7127

I ask for 78 Camaro 350 with air to get them to find it.


http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Alternator/_/N-93xme?filterByKeyWord=7127&fromString=search&isSearchByPartNumber=true

Here is some good info on the 10 and 12 SI

http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/delcoremy.shtml
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

rcavictim

Quote from: squarebob on February 06, 2012, 03:52:54 PM
Ronmar, I fly mostly AMA and SPA precision aerobatic pattern planes. This one pictured is powered by a .91 Cu. In. 4 stroke running 30% nitro fuel.
Bob

From that picture and what we know, it appears that you are outstanding in your field!   :D
"There are more worlds than the one you can hold in your hand."   Albert Hosteen, Navajo spiritual elder and code-breaker,  X-Files TV Series.

BruceM

Great project, SquareBob.  Nice plane, too.  Thanks for the link to madelectric, that was a good source of info.  I last flew a Goldberg Extra 300 on and oversized nitro burner and some electrics including a glider.  Flying at 5600 feet cut the power enough that my 300's knife edge loop was more of a "floop". RC flying is a ball, I miss flying with the guys at the Taylor AZ airport Wed. mornings.  That was one sweet deal for the RC'ers! 
Best Wishes,
Bruce M

Ronmar

Thats great info Bob, thanks. There are so many vehicles it was used in, and they charge a different price for each of them, so having the vehicle that used the inexpensive one is the trick:)  If it it was a Camaro, I am guessing it probably has a 3.25 OD pulley?  The specs for that pully shows about a 5/8" groove depth so the pully ID is probably around 2"  Running belted off a 24" 6/1 flywheel at 650 RPM, it should spin right around 8000 RPM which is the peak output RPM...   Hmmm:) 

Nice plane.  Havn't flown fixed wing in quite a while(been a rotorhead for a few decades now:))  But some guys I work with have sucked me into flying indoors, and the cool small electric fixed wings are looking like a lot of fun to me...

What are you going to do to keep the noise down on your power plant?
Ron
"It ain't broke till I Can't make parts for it"

squarebob

#13
rcavictim, I have been outstanding in a bunch of fields!!!!

ronmar, the pulley that came with it is 2.6" dia.
GM90 6/1, 7.5 ST head, 150 Amp 24V Leece Neville, Delco 10si
Petter AA1 3.5 HP, 75 Amp 24V Leece Neville
2012 VW Sportwagen TDI, Average 39.1 MPG

BioHazard

Did your engine come with that mounting bracket bolted to the bottom of the block? I got the 79cc version of this same engine before they discontinued it. It only has blind holes in the bottom of the block for mounting, I need a bracket like that...
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?