Expected life expectancy from WMO?

[spencer1885]

cognos

i appreciate your concern and reasoned objections to the process,

can't imagine many dismissing your concerns, however there likely are a few.

i also appreciate your input, where you provide information to support your assertion and concerns
rather than simply stating "it is a bad thing" or "it is always bad" or other negative statements
without any sort of documentation other than ones own observations.

had spencer's approach been

"waste motor oil is bad as a fuel" because...

1. he has observed this

2. he has tried that

3. he has researched and found supporting documentation that supports his assertion

4. he also provided alternate theories that might explain his results, such as other issues
that might also be in play that are not directly related to wmo

etc.

we could then conclude that spencer's observations might have merit and we ought to
do some hard research to see what is happening, and why he is having this issue.

my problem is one of presentation i guess,   don't tell me something is bad, without supporting the statement
and then be ready for some pointed questions

wmo should be innocent of the charge until it is proven guilty, so to speak.

thank goodness our legal system doesn't work in a similar manner to the way spencer has presented his position
otherwise anyone could bear false witness against another and there would be no investigation no peer review, just
condemnation and the firing squad.





bob g

Well done bob,
Get running your engine on WMO and when you know it not going to wear out in super quick time,  then come on this forum and tell people it's safe ,but until then don't assume it safe and let other people wear there engines out.

[Carlb]

Boy these posts are really getting hard to read

[rbodell]

"Were is Bodell then,is that the only person you can come up with.
1000 hours and then it's gone very quiet."
1] Where is Bodell ??   Don't ask me.... I'm not his mother.
2] Is that all you can come up with?  People of this planet don't report to me when they run WMO.
  Those two examples are what I found with 2 minutes worth of searching. You could find more if you invest a bit of time and research.

Somebody asked me to stop by and comment here.

I now have somewhere near 1700 hours on my engine running 100%WMO. Still haven't found any carbon deposits on the piston.

I still go by the same process for cleaning the oil as I started with on my website at rbodell.com.

I haven't updated my website because nothing has changed, it just keeps on running and running and running and .....

It runs cleaner on WMO than diesel and has more power. In fact I still have the same goldenrod fuel filter on the engine. If it was going to plug up, it would have before this because I do not use a puel pump so that says a lot for the dieselcraft centrifuge filter I use in my processor too.

There are photos of the processor with explanation on the site as well as http://picasaweb.google.com/rbodell/OilPROCESSOR# it the same aS a biodiesel processor as well as the same process exceept I don't add anything to the oil.

As for not finding too many peole who have run WMO, I couldn't find much either so I did a huge anount of research and managed to track bdown a few people who have run WMO in diesels for many years. One fellow has been running a truck on it for over 10 years.I am looking for a diesel pickup to run on it myself. Nothing like free fuel.

I would be glad to help anybody with any information I can, but most everything is on my website. There is contact info on the website, but if it is something new I will probably answer through this website. I haven't visited back here much lately, so if you post something specifically for me here, drop me an email and let me know it is there. rbodell AT gmail.

no I am not an engineer, scientist or even a mechanic. I just did a lot of research bthat told me I had nothing to fear with running this engine on WMO, so I invested $3,000 in the engine and gen head and have had no regrets since. Like I said, I am looking for a truck to run on WMO now.

If anybody living around the weatherford texas area wants to come by and check it out, I would be glad to show you around.

[mobile_bob]

rbodell

i have said it before, and i will say it again...

you are my friggin hero!

thanks for providing a little balance to the debate.

bob g

[rbodell]

rbodell

i have said it before, and i will say it again...

you are my friggin hero!

thanks for providing a little balance to the debate.

bob g

hero might be a little far fetched LOL. Always glad to help though. I think the main reason I tried this rout was because there wasn't much info on the net and I wanted to try it out. most of the people I have tracked down don't even use the internet so a lot of it was through snail mail. One fellow only got  into town to the post office every month or two LOL.

I guess it is like wood-gas. A lot of people think it's a fairy tale until they actually do enough research to find out that automobile manufacturers actually built wood-gas cars rite on the assembly line during WW2. Even after my research, I still had visions of it smoking like an old freight train or coal powered factory.

I recently got a couple of power company electric meters from some really nice Guy who just happened by my website. One is going on my lister so I can see what it is making me in dollars and cents. How sweet it is when I think back to when the guy at the power company told me I was going to buy my power from them or nobody ........ BWAAAAHAHAHA.

Well, you all have a good day and those of you who haven't yet ordered your roid, better got to it, you won't regret it.

[BigGreen]

Thanks for chiming in rbodell. Spencer has an interesting WMO project in-work and hit a snag from what appears to have been from excessive additive ash. Rather than analysing the data and determine appropriate adjustments he started screaming the sky is falling and posted all over the Lister world that pouring WMO in your tank is like pouring battery acid on your johnson, don't do it and you will be doomed if you do. Some of us started questioning the rationale behind this action and it all went down-hill from there. We were trying to provide possible course's of action to get his project back on track but it was like me talking to our donkey. That 'ol donkey doesn't listen and his mind is made up, he ain't a'moven.

Take care and drop in from time to time.
Dave 

[Ronmar]

So here are two questions to digest:
1.  If burnt in a burner for heat, where are these ash products from the combustion of motor oil?  I have looked at a few waste oil burners, and when rigged right, there is not very much left over...
2.  Spencer if you encountered wear problems from WMO, what engine temps and loads were you operating under?

My instincts tel me that ash formation is probably not from combustion of the additives in the oil, but from the INCOMPLETE combustion aand breakdown of the additives in the oil...

Just musing...

[BioHazard]

My instincts tel me that ash formation is probably not from combustion of the additives in the oil, but from the INCOMPLETE combustion aand breakdown of the additives in the oil...

Add to that, propane or natural gas injection supposedly make diesels combust more completely, and create steam as a byproduct.

[spencer1885]

So here are two questions to digest:
1.  If burnt in a burner for heat, where are these ash products from the combustion of motor oil?  I have looked at a few waste oil burners, and when rigged right, there is not very much left over...
2.  Spencer if you encountered wear problems from WMO, what engine temps and loads were you operating under?

My instincts tel me that ash formation is probably not from combustion of the additives in the oil, but from the INCOMPLETE combustion aand breakdown of the additives in the oil...

Just musing...

Good morning,
Waste oil  heaters and boilers produce lots of white ash.
There are two main types of burners,the first one being the most common because it's cheap is the evaporating pan type.
This type of burner is basically jut a frying pan which the oil is burnt in ,not very efficient and leaves unburnt black carbon in the pan which must be cleaned out daily.
The other type of burner is a gun  / jet burner which is much more efficient, but more expensive to buy.
The jet type of waste oil burner only produces white ash as it burns the oil more completely.
I get a bucket of white fine ash out of my Omni when I clean it out and if you go to a web site which deals with make your own waste oil burner which I am a member of you will read about people KILLING there BEARINGS in vacuum cleaners from the white abrasive ash going through the vacuum motor.
I have both types of waste oil burners and have owned and used many different types over the years


Spencer

[spencer1885]

So here are two questions to digest:
1.  If burnt in a burner for heat, where are these ash products from the combustion of motor oil?  I have looked at a few waste oil burners, and when rigged right, there is not very much left over...
2.  Spencer if you encountered wear problems from WMO, what engine temps and loads were you operating under?

My instincts tel me that ash formation is probably not from combustion of the additives in the oil, but from the INCOMPLETE combustion aand breakdown of the additives in the oil...

Just musing...

Fully loaded with ac and dc being produced, thermostat fitted.
White ash= fully burnt   Black clumps of carbon= not fully burnt

[spencer1885]

"Were is Bodell then,is that the only person you can come up with.
1000 hours and then it's gone very quiet."
1] Where is Bodell ??   Don't ask me.... I'm not his mother.
2] Is that all you can come up with?  People of this planet don't report to me when they run WMO.
  Those two examples are what I found with 2 minutes worth of searching. You could find more if you invest a bit of time and research.

Somebody asked me to stop by and comment here.

I now have somewhere near 1700 hours on my engine running 100%WMO. Still haven't found any carbon deposits on the piston.

I still go by the same process for cleaning the oil as I started with on my website at rbodell.com.

I haven't updated my website because nothing has changed, it just keeps on running and running and running and .....

It runs cleaner on WMO than diesel and has more power. In fact I still have the same goldenrod fuel filter on the engine. If it was going to plug up, it would have before this because I do not use a puel pump so that says a lot for the dieselcraft centrifuge filter I use in my processor too.

There are photos of the processor with explanation on the site as well as http://picasaweb.google.com/rbodell/OilPROCESSOR# it the same aS a biodiesel processor as well as the same process exceept I don't add anything to the oil.

As for not finding too many peole who have run WMO, I couldn't find much either so I did a huge anount of research and managed to track bdown a few people who have run WMO in diesels for many years. One fellow has been running a truck on it for over 10 years.I am looking for a diesel pickup to run on it myself. Nothing like free fuel.

I would be glad to help anybody with any information I can, but most everything is on my website. There is contact info on the website, but if it is something new I will probably answer through this website. I haven't visited back here much lately, so if you post something specifically for me here, drop me an email and let me know it is there. rbodell AT gmail.

no I am not an engineer, scientist or even a mechanic. I just did a lot of research bthat told me I had nothing to fear with running this engine on WMO, so I invested $3,000 in the engine and gen head and have had no regrets since. Like I said, I am looking for a truck to run on WMO now.

If anybody living around the weatherford texas area wants to come by and check it out, I would be glad to show you around.

If you have read the posts you would have seen that the wear will all ready be their at 1800 hours, if he pulls the block and checks.
Only 1700 hours so far.
I have posted ,I can't remember which forum now at 1800 hours when the head gasket blow I decided to decoke it at the same time.
I posted it was real clean with very little to no deposit's in the engine, it's not a coking problem but a abrasive problem.


3000 hours per year is what I need minimum.

[BioHazard]

I took apart my little 2 stroke generator today, and I found more carbon than expected at 35 hours in the exhaust port and in the muffler. Bore appears to have some slight wear and I think I need a new head gasket.

I guess that means I should stop burning premium gasoline/2 cycle oil mix so I don't wear out the engine in a few hundred hours. Maybe I should vacuum seal it too so that it doesn't ever rust.

[spencer1885]

I took apart my little 2 stroke generator today, and I found more carbon than expected at 35 hours in the exhaust port and in the muffler. Bore appears to have some slight wear and I think I need a new head gasket.

I guess that means I should stop burning premium gasoline/2 cycle oil mix so I don't wear out the engine in a few hundred hours. Maybe I should vacuum seal it too so that it doesn't ever rust.

Stop posting stupid comments as you look like a plonker.
Post some thing to add to the subject if you have any thing, or please tell us want your area of expertise is relating to engines.

[mobile_bob]

spencer

this last comment from you is uncalled for,

you ask what others credentials are, yet you provide little to nothing other than "i say so, therefore it is true"

i am beginning to see you has nothing more than a troll, looking to start argument based on sensational and controversial
posts, comments and titling.

nothing more to see here, time to move on.

we have all been patient with you, and extended you the opportunity to support your claims, so far you have not availed yourself
to this and our hospitality.

its time for you to either step up and be constructive or move on.

i would like to leave you with this

over the years i built 100s of 53, 71 and 92 series detroits, 2 stroke engines, many of which used the wrong oils, most of which inhaled, leaked
and in all sorts of ways consumed lot of motor oil.

i have seen dozens of these engine's coming in for overhaul that had white ash residue on the exhaust valve heads and stems, and the piston tops, however the only cylinders and rings that were worn out and not just glazed were engines that had some sort of air cleaner piping, element or other admission of dust/dirt into the air stream.

now why would these enigne's with significant amounts of white ash caked upon the pistons, valves and ports not have had accelerated sleeve and ring wear when you report such with your lister?

the detroit rings are a stainless steel alloy and the liners are induction hardened, and those engine's were not ran any significant amount of time at anything less than 75% loading with stable coolant temperatures in the 180 plus degree F range.

burning motor oil is not dangerous to your engine!

i can state that with equal authority based on my observations and "Facts"  (using your argument)

should you or anyone accept my assertion as gospel?

hell no!

conversely should i or anyone accept your assertion as gospel?

(as if we really need to answer that)

hell no!

i am done with you on this topic, its time to move on.

bob g

[spencer1885]

spencer

this last comment from you is uncalled for,

you ask what others credentials are, yet you provide little to nothing other than "i say so, therefore it is true"

i am beginning to see you has nothing more than a troll, looking to start argument based on sensational and controversial
posts, comments and titling.

nothing more to see here, time to move on.

we have all been patient with you, and extended you the opportunity to support your claims, so far you have not availed yourself
to this and our hospitality.

its time for you to either step up and be constructive or move on.

i would like to leave you with this

over the years i built 100s of 53, 71 and 92 series detroits, 2 stroke engines, many of which used the wrong oils, most of which inhaled, leaked
and in all sorts of ways consumed lot of motor oil.

i have seen dozens of these engine's coming in for overhaul that had white ash residue on the exhaust valve heads and stems, and the piston tops, however the only cylinders and rings that were worn out and not just glazed were engines that had some sort of air cleaner piping, element or other admission of dust/dirt into the air stream.

now why would these enigne's with significant amounts of white ash caked upon the pistons, valves and ports not have had accelerated sleeve and ring wear when you report such with your lister?

the detroit rings are a stainless steel alloy and the liners are induction hardened, and those engine's were not ran any significant amount of time at anything less than 75% loading with stable coolant temperatures in the 180 plus degree F range.

burning motor oil is not dangerous to your engine!

i can state that with equal authority based on my observations and "Facts"  (using your argument)

should you or anyone accept my assertion as gospel?

hell no!

conversely should i or anyone accept your assertion as gospel?

(as if we really need to answer that)

hell no!

i am done with you on this topic, its time to move on.

bob g

bob,
I have not got time to read your post now,but uncalled for and stupid remarks are what BioHazard keeps making.
Direct your comments to all concerned.

Spencer