Micro CoGen.

ADev, you have my permission, especially if there is anything there that can help someone. This was my origional and main intention in posting the info the first time. Thank you. LLF

Hi, this LLF, I assure you, know one who has posted to any of my two topic's offended me. I had thought I did my homework on this, I am 48 and normally will spend months researching my projects to keep the mistakes down to a minimum. This was also the case when I was researching for a generator. But, when I came across the Lister, as most of you here, I became fascinated, it was like apiece of working art, it was an awesome machine, I became addicted to it, I watched many utube videos of it, even researched the woodgas setup, that was built here in Ca. I became obssessed with it, even changed my PC screen to picture one. Thought I had it all planned out, the exhaust, anchoring, gen. head,drive,etc. To me the $$ wasn't a issue, Whatever it took I was going to get one. I had been reviewing post's here for a few weeks trying to learn all I can, and during this time I realized that if there is something I was missing, or didn't think of, some one here would let me know. That is when I decided to post. I was a few days away from shooting a large sum of $$ overseas. I wanted to lay everything out on the table so I could get some feedback one way or the other to make sure I wasn't making a mistake. All of the post's gave me information to work with. Bobs post were what I needed to hear the most, but not neccesarily what I wanted to hear, but I asked for honesty and the truth, thats what he gave with no B.S. Probably saved me a lot of cash and many headaches. I am thankful for that. And deechie, I did read your post before the delete and found it very encouraging, Thank you. There are many others whom have E-mailed me and I have expressed the same to them. I haven't left the forum, I still need some juice so I will be here to learn, trying to figure out what I need, and not what I want. After considering all the post replies, I came to realize that in my ethusiasm to share what I had learned, I posted some info that I probably shouldn't have. And I finally realized that the risks weren't worth this obssession I was having with the lister. Once I realized this I began to see the bigger picture and the consequences of what I had done. I felt foolish. But the worst thing for me was the idea that if someone else comes along like me, and used the info I supplied and ended up in some deep XXXX. It would be my fault, and I did not want to be responsible for this. So thats when I decided to go back and delete some of the info in my post's without really any forethought. Once I had done that, I took a look at the thread and the whole damn thing looked ridiculas and didnt make any sense at all. Now I really felt foolish. And I apoligize for deleting other members post, because there was lot of info that was sent my way that I wanted to check out, and I lost that too. Please, don't ask me how I done it. Still not really sure. All I know is I made the whole dang thread dissappear. Guess it was meant to be. Anyway I am still open to suggestions. The best fuel effecient Yanmar diesel on Central maine site was something I was looking at also, but it puts out only 4KW or 4.5KW something like that. I would like to be more around 7KW + . So now I am searching for the most fuel efficient diesel somewhere in that range. I guess its a start. Again I appreciate this community. Lots of good info and advice here and I thank everyone who posted on my behalf. And to Crofter I probably didn't explain exactly what I needed, just what I wanted. I knew that I wasn't going to get 10Kw out of the 14/1. I was just being greedy. All of the fuel consumption #'s I had was based on what I had read on the Central Maine site for thier discontinued 6800W lister which was indirect injection and I knew the direct did a little better (I THINK). This would have been perfect I believe for me, but unavailable. So, when I checked out the 14/1, My thinking was I would be running between 6KW-7KW with the direct injection which would be approx. 3/4 load and hopefully get close to 1/2 gallon an hour, or I would unplug something till I achieved that fuel consumption. Even If I ended up at 1/2 load or around 5KW to achieve those goals, I would still know that I had the ability or capability to run almost a 100% of my house if I chose to sacrifice my fuel comsumption. Even knowing that a diesel runs better under a load than not, I beleived that the reliability would increase by running a 14/1 at 1/2 to 3/4 load then a 8/1 or 10/1 at 100% load. But this is not by experiance, just assumption. Bottom line is I am here to learn. No one was disrespectful to me. I asked for some opinions and answers to questions that I had, and it didnt matter to me if I liked them or not, just as long as they were what the posting member believed from his experinces to be the honest truth!! In my professional field its all about justification, and no matter how bad I wanted to make this work, this community helped me realize that I just could'nt justify the risk, especially after I was strolling down FRONT street.Thank you LLF

Thank you Play Diesel, I Emailed them all just to see what kind of inventory they might have that will work on the Lovson Sando LG-14. LLF

Hi, Please someone correct me if I am wrong. I have had many different items shipped from overseas many times from different countries without any problems, so I was figuring that small parts like the bearings,rings, injectors,etc could be shipped to my address directly from Lovson in India if needed, without all of this customs BS. ?? LLF

Hi, The following are some E-mails back and forth with Joanna at Lovson. There is a quote for the spare parts which doesn't seem to bad to me. I am not even being charged crating or shipping fees. Thanks again Bob for your advice. Also regarding my earlier post on the ISF form, Joanna stated that they are very well aware of the US laws and they will do the filing for me, so that there will be no violations or penalties. Again its easier to follow if you start at the bottom and go up.  LLF                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

Dear Loren,

YES WE CAN ISSUE YOU TWO PROFORMA INVOICES TO KEEP THE AMOUNT BELOW US$ 2000/-

WE ARE AWARE OF THE SHIPMENT PROCEEDURES AND FILE THE NECESSARY FORMS BEFORE SHIPMENT TO AVOID ANY PENALTIES FOR YOU.

Rgds
Joanna


----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Fenderson
To: <joanna@lovson.net>
Sent: 11 February, 2011 16:14
Subject: Re: 11-02-quote for LG-14hp Sando


Thank you Joanna. I am in contact with a couple of brokers now so everything will be set up. The brokers tell me there is a form that has to be filed with US customs at least two(2) days before the cargo is even loaded or there will be a fine of $5000 per incident for the importer (me). Seems like there is a difference between a formal import and a informal. The informal is $2000 or less and the formal is anything over $2000. So I am checking to see if maybe I can do two orders at the same time, one just for the Sando Lg-14, and the other would be for the conversion and the spare parts. If this can be done then I think this would be the best way with two seperate bills or performa's. Not sure still waiting to hear back from brokers. What do think about this? This form is called " importer security filing"  "ISF 10+2". Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2011, at 10:05 PM, <joanna@lovson.net> wrote:


Dear Loren,

Sub:Spares for LG-14Sando engine.

We quote below:

US$         QTY       ITEM
FOB

189.50     1 no   Crankshaft
  63.75     1 no   Complete Connecting Rod
  70.75     1 set  Piston and Rings with G.Pin & Piston Lock (Complete Piston)
  41.75     1 no  Cam Shaft Complete
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365.75
=====

Incase you need these spares please add the amount to the proforma invoice and arrange to remit amount by 15th February,2011 as informed by you.

Rgds
Joanna     
----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Fenderson
To: <joanna@lovson.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: 09-02-reply


Thank you Joanna, if you have time I am considering purchasing some spare parts that I understand would be a lot cheaper to order with the original order than later on.  The parts would be (1) crankshaft, (1) complete connecting rod, (1) piston and rings, and (1) camshaft. Can you give me a quote on these parts in a kit form? Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 9, 2011, at 4:22 AM, <joanna@lovson.net> wrote:


Dear Loren,

The shipping agent in Oakland will only assist you in getting the delivery order from the SHIPPING CO.

You will need to hire what we call a CUSTOM HOUSE AGENT to clear customs and arrange the tranport to your door .

In case you cannot find someone to help you , let me know I will recommend a name from here.


Rgds
Joanna

----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Fenderson
To: joanna@lovson.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: 08-02 proforma invoice.


Hi  Joanna,
               
             I just have a question, will this agent in Oakland assist me in clearing customs ? or do I need to search for a Broker ? And if so do you have any recommendations for one in Oakland ? Thank you

Hi, just FYI, I learned today that there is a law that went into effect in 2010 that requires a Importer (me) to file a form "ISF 10+2". ISF meaning "Importer security filing". Furthermore this has to be transmitted to US customs TWO (2) days before the ship is even loaded from the sending country (India). Meaning Anyone attempting this will need to contact a broker first, before the ship is loaded. So, If US customs receives paperwork from the exporter upon delivery stating that the cargo was loaded before this filing, the Importer (me) will be fined $5000 per violation. Fortunately the broker takes care of all this. Learning everyday. LLF

I decided to take Bob's advice and requested a quote for spare parts to be shipped with original order. Will post when I receive the Quote. Joanna informed me that the agent in Oakland will only be able to assist me in helping to get the shipment from the shipping co. And that I would need what they call a Custom House Agent. Which seems to me to be just another name for a Broker. Not sure. LLF

Thank you, lots of food for thought. I have a headache now. Anyone recommend a broker? LLF

I have tried hours to try and post this Proforma invoice right. Could'nt figure it out. If interested check it out. Any feedback, comments or suggestions welcomed. Thank you LLF

Hi,
   Thanks for your advice Bob, but for me, at this point, I can't justify any more $$ spent until I see how this transaction is going to play out. I have searched the web trying to find out any info or complaints directed toward LOVSTON. So far I havent found any. What I did find out is they are a huge exporter to the US with many sister company's. They ship mopeds,motorcycles etc all the time to the US. I am hoping that this agent that Joanne sends me to in Oakland will handle all the customs BS, while I am footing the bill. After I see how this all works out, then I will decide if I am going to purchase the spare parts. Even though like you said it will cost me, but that will be a different month and additional OT. So far I have found only two sources here in the US. The Kansas 8/1 kit quoted to me for $1990, and the Andree systems for $3800-$4000. So the 14/1 for $2050 seems to be my best choice because (hopefully) I will be able to pick up myself. The above quotes dont include shipping. I will be in contact with the Oakland port with many questions about customs and how a private customer picks up personal deliveries and associated costs. Thanks Dan for the link. On a side note and I may be a 100% wrong and someone here may know better, but on the Central Maine generator site, under the VIEW MODEL NUMBER tab you can still check out there old complete packages, starting on the far right side with 00912 and going down to the vege model. when I took two Iphones and placed them together, one with the Maine and the other the Lovson SL (not LG), I blew them up with the Iphones and to me all the casting,fuel lines,air cleaner, etc looked exactly the same. Maybe it was wishful thinking, but it appeared to me that I could see on the Maine model where the yellow Lovston logo had been either removed or painted over or both. I am no expert in this, maybe all the copies look the same. Dont know. LLF

Thanks for the comments and advice. I am going to call the Oakland port and ask them exactly how a private consumer picks up ordered freight and what the fees are for duty etc.

Hi, just thought I would post the quotes I received from Lovson. There are two Quotes. The last one was the first one they sent me for 6/1 and 8/1. The first one is the one that I requested a quote for on the Sando-14 (hope Sando doesnt stands for sand). Anyway I am going to bite the bullet and wire the $$ on the 15th. Gambling all my OT hours. Wasnt sure about the durability of going so large though. I have a lot of Mechanical experiance, but never had one of these. First one. I think later I will order a spare crank,rod,piston,and cam just in case Everything else I think almost any local machine shop will be able to reproduce if needed. I will also try to post what they call a Proforma invoice that I returned to Joanna that basically states that I understand what I am responsible for and the price. The following is some of the e-mails and quotes.  It will be easier to start at the bottom and read up as the info was sent back and forth.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
----- Original Message -----
From: joanna@lovson.net
To: lfenderson001@bak.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:52 AM
Subject: 25-01- quote for Air Compressor


Dear Loren,

WE HAVE WORKED OUT SHIPPING COST UPTO LOS ANGELES PORT -CA  AS UNDER

COST OF AIR COMPRESSOR LG-14-SANDO
US$  1230.00 PER UNIT FOB INDIAN PORT
US$ 220.00  CRATE PACKING
----------------
US$.1450.00  FOB INDIAN PORT
=========

COST OF kit to rebuild it as engine
US$ 150.00 PER UNIT FOB INDIAN PORT
US$   50.00  PACKING
----------------
US$200.00 FOB INDIAN PORT
========

TOTAL SHIPPING CHARGES FOR ABOVE ( BOTH THE COMPRESSOR AND KIT ) =
US$300.00  SHIPPING CHARGES UPTO  LOS ANGELES PORT -CA  

THE ABOVE COSTS INCLUDE THE COMPRESSOR + KIT + SHIPPING CHARGES UPTO
LOS ANGELES PORT -CA  

ALL OTHER CHARGES I.E. YOUR LOCAL PORT CHARGES, CUSTOMS DUTY , AGENT CHARGES AND LOCAL TRANSPORT CHARGES TO YOUR DOOR  WILL HAVE TO BE BORNE BY YOU

Regret , we are unable to give you an estimate of the port / dock or other charges as we have no knowledge of this . However if you wish we can put you in touch with the SHIPPING AGENCIES in USA who can help you clear the consignment .
.
DISPATCH : 2 WEEKS AFTER CONFIRMATION OF ORDER AND RECEIPT OF PAYMENT.

SHIPMENT : TRANSIST TIME : 3/4 WEEKS.

Let us know if you have any more questions.

Rgds
Joanna




----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Fenderson
To: <joanna@lovson.net>
Sent: 24 January, 2011 19:04
Subject: Re: 24-01- Air Compressor


Hi, and thank you for the information very helpful. My home address is xxxxxxxx. But I can pick up from any port in Los Angeles that you can recommend. Long beach, San pedro, etc. It doesnt matter to me I will drive to the one thats most convienent for you. The exact model I wish to order would be the LG-14 SANDO with direct injection and the conversion kit. Please let me know what i need to do on my part and a price quote to ANY of the Los Angeles ports. And I understand that I will be responsible for all the dock and port fees on my side , but not sure how much that will be. If you could give an estimate on the above engine, and approximately what the port or dock charges would be, this would be greatly appreciated! Please reply with quote. Thank you Loren Fenderson.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2011, at 1:51 AM, <joanna@lovson.net> wrote:


Dear Loren,

Thank you for your e-mail of 23rd January,2011 and the interest shown in our Company and product.

Please provide us your complete mailing address.

At present we are doing Air compressor for LG6hp and Lister type SL8HP

We quote below:

1) INDIRECT INJECTION                                                         FOB INDIAN PORT
                                                                                               US$ PER UNIT

AIR COMPRESSOR -SL 8HP                                                           1030.00


COST OF kit to rebuild it as engine                                              190.00
COMPLETE KIT CONSIST OF FOLLOWING:

    QTY         ITEM(s)
 
   1 NO     WATER PIPE ELBOW SET
   1 NO     GOVERNOR SPRING SET
   1 NO     FLYWHEEL KEY
   1 NO     TOOL KIT (SPANNER SET ONLY)
   1 NO      FUEL PUMP
   1 NO      NOZZLE
   1 SET     IDLER GEAR set  (PIN,NUT,STUD & WASHER)



2) DIRECT INJECTION                                                        
                                                                               
AIR COMPRESSOR - LG 6HP                                                           905.00


COST OF kit to rebuild it as engine                                                 160.00
COMPLETE KIT CONSIST OF FOLLOWING:

    QTY         ITEM(s)
 
   1 NO     WATER PIPE ELBOW SET
   1 NO     GOVERNOR SPRING SET
   1 NO     FLYWHEEL KEY
   1 NO     TOOL KIT (SPANNER SET ONLY)
   1 NO      FUEL PUMP
   1 NO      NOZZLE
   1 SET     IDLER GEAR set  (PIN,NUT,STUD & WASHER)


 
WE WILL ALSO BE SENDING YOU THE CD SHOWING HOW TO ASSEMBLE THE AIR  COMPRESSOR


At present we have given you an offer on FOB INDIAN PORTsince we dont know your final destination.  Please inform us nearest seaport to enable workout  shipping + Handling charges.


PLEASE NOTE,ALL THE PORT,CUSTOMS AND TRANSPORT CHARGES FROM PORT TO YOUR  WAREHOUSE / DOOR WILL BE TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

To facilitate your import we will provide you a "GSP"certificiate under the Generealised System of Preferences which allows you to import goods from INDIA at very nominal customs duty.  This system is for goods from developing countries and all goods from such countries attract reduced customs duty.  Inform this to your customs authority when asking for duty rates.

Request you to study our website: www.slowspeedengine.com - LITTLE GIANT which is our new model / invention this engine has counter weighed cranks.Our technical data is on website with picture.

Our payment terms are as under:

PAYMENT : BY WIRE TRANSFER WITH ORDER

VALIDITY : OFFER VALID UPTO 31.01.2011

Let us know if you need further details from us.

Best Regards
Joanna Bhat
LOVSON
98, Bajaj Bhavan, Nariman Point, Mumbai 400 021, INDIA .
Tel: + 91-22 - 42129898 (Ext.123)  / 42129809 (Direct) Fax:+ 91-22 - 42129844



----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Fenderson
To: Joanna@lovson.net
Sent: 23 January, 2011 01:33
Subject: Air Compressor


Hi, I live near Los Angeles. I am trying to see how feasable it would be to order 1 Air pump from your company inported to L.A. Was interested in the LG air compressor and the kit to transform it to slow turning diesel generator. I only see the air compressor sold in the SL series. Do you sell one in the little giant LG series with the matching kit. Ultimately I would be most interested in the LG10 Super or LG10 Sando or the LG14 Sando in the air compressor form with the kit. Do you have any of these kits available to import to los angeles and at what cost. And what shipping yards do you deliver to and are there any other costs as far as dock or import fees, etc.  That I would be responsible for ? Thank you. Loren Fenderson