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Prime movers, diesel and gas engines => Listeroid/Petteroid/Clones => Topic started by: veggie on December 29, 2011, 02:35:50 PM

Title: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: veggie on December 29, 2011, 02:35:50 PM
The holidays allowed me a bit of free time to finish up my Listeroid powerplant project.
After a year of "on-and-off" working, this project is finally done.
Rather than explain my setup, I made a "walkaround" video to share.
This is a GM90 Listeroid coupled to a Voltmaster 4kw head.
Currently the engine is de-rated from 900 rpm to 650 rpm where it produces 5HP (or 2.5 kw electrical @ full loaded).
I did try to coax 3kw from it but the black smoke told me it was too much  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l562wUof59c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l562wUof59c)

veggie
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Carlb on December 29, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
great looking setup,  sounds good,  What mounts are you using?

carl
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Tom Reed on December 29, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
You'll get quite a bit more power once the rings seat and the rest of the engine breaks in.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: dieselgman on December 29, 2011, 03:20:20 PM
Excellent system! Thanks for the video!

dieselgman
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Ronmar on December 29, 2011, 04:22:48 PM
Quote from: Tom on December 29, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
You'll get quite a bit more power once the rings seat and the rest of the engine breaks in.

I agree, at 650 RPM, I would think you should be closer to 6HP and able to sustain 3KW of electric load fairly easilly.  Nice clean installation:)

Are you sure you are getting 650 RPM?  I am assuming that is a 3600 RPM generator, what are your flywheel and pully diameters?   My educated ear(and a stopwatch) count 100 firings/200 RPM in 17.4 seconds.  Recording/playback speed not withstanding, that works out to be around 690 RPM by my math...  That should net you over 6HP, so once it gets broke-in, you might look into injector timing, cam timing, fuel flow ect...
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: mbryner on December 29, 2011, 04:29:02 PM
Very nice, veggie.   And great video.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: squarebob on December 29, 2011, 05:40:01 PM
GM 90s are a bit smaller than a listeroid and run at 750 RPM
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: fabricator on December 29, 2011, 05:50:30 PM
It sure runs smooth as silk.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Ronmar on December 29, 2011, 06:20:42 PM
Quote from: squarebob on December 29, 2011, 05:40:01 PM
GM 90s are a bit smaller than a listeroid and run at 750 RPM

You know I don't think I ever looked at the specs for the GM-90 before.  I didn't realize it gets it's 6HP AT 750 RPM...  Please disregard my HP estimates, but I stand by my RPM estimate:)
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: playdiesel on December 29, 2011, 06:24:46 PM
Wow, That is realy a clean installaton. I like it!
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: veggie on December 29, 2011, 06:46:52 PM

Thanks guys,

The GM90 that I got is the version with the heavier 900 rpm flywheels.
At 900 rpm it makes 8 HP.
at 750 rpm it makes 6 HP, and
at 650 rpm it makes 5 HP

The Voltmaster brushless generator head is rated at 4kw continuous and 5kw intermittent (10 minutes max)
Eventually I may speed the drive system up to 900 rpm and make a good 4 kws.

veggie
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: akghound on December 29, 2011, 08:18:23 PM
WOW! That is one nice setup. Good job.
Ken Gardner
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: veggie on December 29, 2011, 11:24:54 PM
Quote from: Carlb on December 29, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
great looking setup,  sounds good,  What mounts are you using?

carl

Hi Carl,

The rubber isolators are made by the Karman rubber company.
I used their "2 piece Center bonded" product.

Here is the link....
http://www.karman.com/cbonded1.cfm (http://www.karman.com/cbonded1.cfm)

and below is my design for the mount to connect the engine base to the isolator and the floor.
The engine base sits totally isolated from the concrete base.

veggie





Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Carlb on December 30, 2011, 04:26:41 AM
Thanks Veggie,

Those look identical to the vibration dampers I have on my wind turbine.  My wind turbine (skystream 3.7) has 8 of them where the turbine mounts to the tower.

Carl.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Ronmar on December 30, 2011, 08:55:58 AM
They look like auto body-chassis mounts...

AHH your paint-foo is strong!
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: dieselgman on December 30, 2011, 09:10:02 AM
Lister - Hawkpower has used that exact design on most of their air-cooled genset mounts. They work great until they get oil soaked and then must be replaced.

dieselgman
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: fabricator on December 30, 2011, 10:18:19 AM
Yep, I've got a Lister/Petter powered Hawkpower 12kw genset, it came out of a high end RV, those eliminators were mush when I got it.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: veggie on December 30, 2011, 11:38:14 AM
Quote from: dieselgman on December 30, 2011, 09:10:02 AM
Lister - Hawkpower has used that exact design on most of their air-cooled genset mounts. They work great until they get oil soaked and then must be replaced.

dieselgman

Good to know !
I will make sure to keep the area well wiped of any migrating oil leaks.

veggie
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Ronmar on December 30, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
Or you use the polyurethane bushings that won't be effected by oil:)
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Horsepoor on December 30, 2011, 06:07:17 PM
Wow, what chick magnet - nice clean setup.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: quinnf on December 30, 2011, 07:03:56 PM
Yeah, bet the women can't keep their hands off you.  It's so degrading they way they get.  I bet you feel like a piece of meat.

q.
Title: Re: GM90 Listeroid Powerplant Walkaround
Post by: Horsepoor on December 31, 2011, 12:32:43 AM
Yep, just look at that crankcase pipe and shaft sticking straight up in the air like a "chick magnet flag pole".