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Electrical/Electronic equipment => Batteries/ Inverters/ Converters => Topic started by: injin man on October 27, 2011, 08:24:06 PM

Title: NiFe Battery with a booster?
Post by: injin man on October 27, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
So it looks like I'm going forward and backward at the
same time ;D

Picked up an Exide 24v NiFe Battery 455ah, also have
12 - 2.5v 3K Farad Ultracapacitors, a 24v 3500 watt Outback
GVFX Inverter, 6.5 HP Petter AC1/LeeceNeville JHO555 and 4 230
watt 24v Solar Panels. It's all starting to come together.
Did I mention I've got a Prestolite/Balmar charge controller.

Anyone here have any ideas on how to hook up the ultra caps.
I'm looking at putting them ahead of the battery before the inverter?
Title: Re: NiFe Battery with a booster?
Post by: mike90045 on October 29, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
Ultra caps are the wrong thing.   Too much internal resistance - they can't dump power fast enough to be a help.

You want high ripple capacity @ 120 hz  , Low ESR

a couple threads here
http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=12529&

discuss it a bit.  (There was another thread going around, but I can't find it now.)

How I hooked up mine (they came with cell-cell jumpers only)

battery lugs http://tinyurl.com/LMR-BigLug
Setting up batteries http://tinyurl.com/LMR-NiFe

Title: Re: NiFe Battery with a booster?
Post by: injin man on October 29, 2011, 11:08:58 AM
Are you sure we're talking about the same thing? They use these
to start diesel engines. My understanding is the have very low resistance.
Title: Re: NiFe Battery with a booster?
Post by: injin man on October 30, 2011, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: mike90045 on October 29, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
Ultra caps are the wrong thing.   Too much internal resistance - they can't dump power fast enough to be a help.

You want high ripple capacity @ 120 hz  , Low ESR

a couple threads here
http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=12529&

discuss it a bit.  (There was another thread going around, but I can't find it now.)

How I hooked up mine (they came with cell-cell jumpers only)

battery lugs http://tinyurl.com/LMR-BigLug
Setting up batteries http://tinyurl.com/LMR-NiFe




Thanks for the pics of your nife batts, where did you get them. Mine are
slightly used ::) 45years old, they are from a guy in New York that sells
them to Zapp, he then refurbs them and sells them as new! These are
just about impossible to completely destroy. I got 20 1.5v cells and 3 spares
for $900. delivered to Houston.

I've done a lot of research on the Ultracaps, they appear to be the right solution
to the power delivery issue from the batts. The layout for the wiring might change
a little, need to look at fuses, blocking diodes wires sizes etc. The Caps can
provide a huge power boost instantaniously, I'll probably wire the caps parallel
to the Battery. The only issue I see at this point is the straps used to connect
the caps, no one seems to say what they are made of although the appear to be
aluminum flat bar.

I do value your experience, the link above is from '03 so it's obvious you've doing
this for a while.
Again, thanks for sharing your installation.