as many already know, and more probably have figured it out already
the lister engine forum (listerengine.com) will be merging with our forum sometime in the very near future.
there have been a few structural changes made here at microcogen.info to accommodate the resource information
contained in the listerengine forum and its membership.
many of our members are either active members over there, or have been at some point in the past. those folks will find the change
fairly easy to follow and probably not much of a big deal, however those that are unaware of our forum might find the change a bit
unsettling so we would ask the membership to do what we can to help those new members feel at home after the change has taken place.
Everyone at the lister engine forum knows Andrew as the moderator, most of us know him here as well, he goes by "T19" for those that
do not know. Andrew has many years experience as the only moderator of the lister engine forum and has agreed to come over in the merger
and take on the responsibilities as one of three administrators and do some moderating as well.
for the most part the plan is to integrate the listerengine forum content into the "prime mover" and "alternator/generator " sections where most of the LEF content will easily merge with area's we already have. this will enable discussions currently underway on the LEF to continue
on as normal. Other LEF content that cannot be merged into those sections will find appropriate places elsewhere or be archived.
the goal is to protect all the content of the LEF and make it available to everyone, now and also down the road.
there may be a few minor glitches or issues that some folks might not like, and we will work to try to accommodate those requests that are
deemed both reasonable and doable, however we all need to keep in mind that there might well be some things in the change that cannot be
rectified to everyones liking and we will just have to learn to live with it.
with this merger we expect a renewed sense of purpose, many more members from the merger and much more attention from the search engines that will likely bring even more attention to our forum.
we would like to take the time to thank everyone that has worked to make this merger a reality, and continue to work behind the scenes to make this as smooth a change as possible.
now it is up to all of us to work to make the new "MICROCOGEN.INFO/ LEF/ SOMRAD" forum the finest forum of its type on the internet.
there might be a time in the next couple weeks where the forum will go down into "maintenance" mode so that the merge can be completed
we will post a message or send out a bulk email letting everyone know of the time this is to take place. so if you log on and get a message
about being in maintenance mode don't worry we will be back up and running soon after that.
thanks to the current and future members for your continued support and participation
without which no forum can survive.
bob g
This development is even more awesome than the wire spool / converted water wheel, or the crawler windmill.
Thanks to both forum owners and admins.
Mike
Bravo guys! This resource is a beautiful example of cooperation, and a great use of modern technology in support of yesterday's technology. I am very pleased with the merger plans and will continue to steer my customers this way for the wealth of experience and information on all things Lister and small-scale power generation.
dieselgman
Diesel Electric
For members of both forums who don't have the same handle on both forums, how are the 2 user id's going to be merged? I've got a lot of history on LEF (else ware to by we won't go into that).
Quote from: Tom on February 01, 2011, 10:35:54 AM
For members of both forums who don't have the same handle on both forums, how are the 2 user id's going to be merged? I've got a lot of history on LEF (else ware to by we won't go into that).
Yeah, that's the $6,000,000 question...
I will e-mail anyone who has a duplicate username/email address, asking them which ID they'd like to use. My plan is then to change any posts by the ID being dropped to the ID being kept, as part of the merge.
It sounds complicated, and it is... I'll be doing a few practice runs first anyway.
Good thing there aren't 5k members. :P How are you going to know who has the dups??? Email addresses might work for about 80%. I was buttie on the old board, but I'll keep Tom as I seem to be able to remember that better.
perhaps those with two names could reapply using a hyphenated name
useing the hyphen between both screen names
that way should someone want to do a search he could do so using either of the names?
might be easier in the short run, however it artificially inflates or membership
so that might not be a good idea,
perhaps those with two name keep one for the merged forum and post their old name in their bio line so
that one could search back using that name if necessary.
reestablishing the member post count is the easy part, not sure how easy it is to attach one name to a change over on all the back posts
but that is what we have our resident guru for :)
thanks Ade!
bob g
No problem bob - head-scratching database problems are my stock-in-trade... ::)
Posts are referenced by member ID (a unique number - sorry Prisoner fans, you ARE a number ;)), but also a posting name (to handle situations where the poster is no longer a member). I've not tried it yet, but I suspect I can simply modify the member ID on incoming posts to match the user's new ID (either existing MCG ID, or migrated LEF ID), but keep the "user name" as-was; so members with different screen names will be able to see which posts came from which place.
At least, I think that's how it'll work.... still investigating...
Yup, databases are my stock and trade too. If ya need some help give a shout.
When will LEF as we know it cease to be available? There are some very old threads on there I want to archive on my own. Concepts, ideas and available component type stuff. Things i have been kicking around for years but never implemented. I know where they are now so I better grab them.
Thanks
Quote from: BigGreen on February 01, 2011, 03:10:02 PM
When will LEF as we know it cease to be available? There are some very old threads on there I want to archive on my own. Concepts, ideas and available component type stuff. Things i have been kicking around for years but never implemented. I know where they are now so I better grab them.
Thanks
BG,
ALL Lister Engine Forum posts will be retained. Some will be merged into existing forums on MCG (where there's a 100%, or near as damnit, subject overlap); those which don't fit comfortably will either continue to exist exactly as they are now in LEF; others will be retained but archived.
I believe I speak for all of the admins when I say:
No posts will be deleted! Therefore, LEF, and the knowledge retained within, will remain 100% available to all.
That said - if you wish to archive off certain threads yourself, then absolutely feel free to do so. If it's an all-text thread, then the Print view will show you the entire thread in one shot. If there are pictures involved, then you'll need to save/print it page-at-a-time in order to capture the images.
In fact, here's a proposal for you: If you're feeling generous, and if the thread(s) in question are likely to be beneficial to a wide audience, why not turn the thread(s) into a document, with pictures, etc.; stick your name on the front page as "compiled by:", turn it into a PDF - and we can start off a Lister Engine Library.
Also: The Lister Engine forum address will, as has been stated elsewhere, continue to exist, and it will continue to point to the Lister Engine Forum - it's just that as well as LEF it will be the MicroCoGen and SOMRAD forum.
Now.... if we can just add a board to cover the Detroit 12v71 2-stroke diesel, then I will be in 7th heaven...
ahhh... the "buzzin dozen" (12v71 detroit)
bob g
I thought it was the slobbering dozen.:) Tom T
thats only at idle!
;)
one of the most impressive semi tractors i ever had the pleasure to work on and then test drive "bobtail" was a cabover freighliner
with a 12v71TTA detroit (twin turbo w/aftercooler) factory rated at 575hp
it would break lose all four rear drive wheels going from 6th to 7th gear at 40mph when you step on its tail, thats an awesome feeling when
it is a rare hot rod that can do that going from 3 to 4th gear with just two tires on the ground and rolling at 40 mph. that was 1979 and the truck was used to pull a special multi axle lowboy to haul an earthmover around.
i don't think there was a smoother diesel ever built to use in a truck, 12 cylinder 2stroke, makes such a smooth silky feel when the power comes on.
i am pretty sure i had the biggest woody of my life climbing back out of the cab of that truck.
sorry guys for going off topic, but if you never experienced a 12v71 you really ought to!
bob g
Quote from: mobile_bob on February 01, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
ahhh... the "buzzin dozen" (12v71 detroit)
bob g
That kind of reminds me back when I was still working - we would refer to Case heavy equipment as a case of bad judgement, it seems they had more problems than the other brands.
flywheel
A wet dream- 379 extended hood with 12v71 and a 13 double over. Wide open spaces =
Whee!
Ron
Sorry for the hijack, I got carried away.
governor set to 2700rpm, timing advanced two teeth, N80 injectors (hard to go bigger for lack of enough radiator space,
(that should be good for about 700hp, which btw is not the same as 700hp in a car engine)
supersingle tires on the rear drivers and yes your double overdrive 13speed (although an allison is also very cool)
all loaded in a long nose flat black peterbilt with visor, low suspension height air ride, and oh yes
chrome 8" lake pipes (or twice pipes for those that remember cheech and chong)
buckle up for a white knuckle ride!
bob g
can't you just feel the power in your bones just sitting there?
Try an AVDS 1790 Air cooled V Design Diesel Super Charged 1790 CID 750 BHP V12. Talk about Co Gin it will heat a 12 story. :) Tom T
I'm getting all goose-bumpy! :o If I built it, think they would let me run it at Bonneville? C'mon Powerball!
Ron
I'd like one to put in my truck.... just to go a bit quicker.... I'd also love to hook it through a semi-automatic trans, such as the ones I've seen on city buses - at least here in the UK, I don't know about the US or Europe.
Easy gear changes plus that unique Detroit howl. Luvverly.
Quote from: AdeV on February 02, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
I'd like one to put in my truck.... just to go a bit quicker.... I'd also love to hook it through a semi-automatic trans, such as the ones I've seen on city buses - at least here in the UK, I don't know about the US or Europe.
Easy gear changes plus that unique Detroit howl. Luvverly.
A real "jimmy jammer" would be ashamed to drive a slush box tranny, Lol! ;D
an allison is a pretty handy when you get over 600hp or so
its hard to grab a bunch of gears when you have more than that,
when you get into the upper hp engines, a missed gear can end up with broken
axles, third members, let alone twisted main shafts and other fun stuff happening in the trans.
the allison never misses a shift! and setup tight the shift will shove that air ride seat where the sun don't shine!
:o
bob g
Quote from: mobile_bob on February 02, 2011, 06:18:58 PM
an allison is a pretty handy when you get over 600hp or so
I thought an Allison was an engine? Specifically, one that seems to explode a lot when used for tractor pulling...
Quote from: AdeV on February 02, 2011, 06:49:51 PM
Quote from: mobile_bob on February 02, 2011, 06:18:58 PM
an allison is a pretty handy when you get over 600hp or so
I thought an Allison was an engine? Specifically, one that seems to explode a lot when used for tractor pulling...
That Allison is a V-16 (IIRC) antique aircraft engine. The Allison Bob refers to is a big tough honking damn near bulletproof automatic tranny.
Of course he's right as usual, but what about the cool factor? I want to participate a little more, not just punch it and point it! (pout)
Ron
Allison aircraft engines - V12 , Photo from Sandwich IL fair 2003.
flywheel
rm /
the marriage of two of my favorite things!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj2GVfua84
bob g
Guys, do I need to start that over the top motorhead support group now, or can we still keep it together a little longer on our own? ::)
My Son says I'll start slobbering and mumbling more power when I'm confined to a diesel 4x4 wheelchair........
He's sort of got a point.
Ron
maybe its as tim the toolman describes a man's vacuum cleaner as being
stainless steel with a 60hp motor!
dyson can keep his ball!
bob g
To bad this was not real mini to ride. Just starting up the engine will probably flip the car all over the place.
Very nice engine stand though.
Henry
Bovine excrement!
Ron
Yea we know that. But some person out there will believe it really drives.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/studio413/bassante/websize/crmdiesel.jpg)
Here's the power curve.
(http://www.crmmotori.it/immagini/12-D_SS-1500-1.gif)
http://www.microcogen.info/index.php?PHPSESSID=4mek6guuo9h1l944j4gl053q83&topic=682.msg8005#msg8005
These brand new twin engines, CRM V12 1000 HP were just installed on the stingers. They should be fired up and running in the next 2 months.
The boat a 1962 23 meter...with twin CRM's that works out to about 87 hp per meter of length on the water line.
Lloyd
Lloyd those engines are way too high tech for me or my budget. Mine will run on rice and beans!
rm /
Quote from: Crofter on February 03, 2011, 09:37:07 AM
Lloyd those engines are way too high tech for me or my budget. Mine will run on rice and beans!
Crofter,
This might be what you need.
Henry
Henry, that looks like it might be about as old as I am! Interesting crankshaft arrangement. In all honesty I do have a 3.5 hp long shaft 4 stroke for it. My lower back does not like rowing it seems. Actually 1/2 a horse would take it up to hull speed and one of the open flywheel antiques would look a lot better than that gawking black Tohatsu on the wine glass transom.
I bet that engine's brand new... and I bet it's a diesel... ;D
Quote from: deeiche on February 03, 2011, 09:55:40 AM
back to the OP topic
I am not a member of LEF, as it had become a PITA to join, but I did follow threads "over there". I noticed Spencer's vapourization thread and wanted to post something I recalled regarding Cubans running kerosene in their gasoline engine automobiles which were mostly manufactured pre-revolution.
Should I go ahead and create a new member @ LEF before the merge is completed?
Yes - it's going to take a couple of weeks for me to sort out the SQL to do the merge, so you may as well. It would be helpful (but not essential) that you use the same username & e-mail address, that way when the merge takes place, your usernames & contributions will be combined.
Quote from: Crofter on February 03, 2011, 10:33:05 AM
Henry, that looks like it might be about as old as I am! Interesting crankshaft arrangement. In all honesty I do have a 3.5 hp long shaft 4 stroke for it. My lower back does not like rowing it seems. Actually 1/2 a horse would take it up to hull speed and one of the open flywheel antiques would look a lot better than that gawking black Tohatsu on the wine glass transom.
What you need to find is a British Seagull.
Henry
Quote from: Jens on February 03, 2011, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: hwew on February 03, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
What you need to find is a British Seagull.
Over here we have the higher power Canadian Seagulls but you still need to harness up a whole bunch to get that boat moving and heaven help you if you try to steer the boat into the wind, the exhaust of all those Seagulls is real messy :) :) :)
Jens, the title of this thread is "Re: we are expanding the forum" Little did Bob know we would get around to discussing animal traction as motive power and cleaning up the exhaust of seagulls! What a compendium of talent and interest! ;D
Quote from: hwew on February 03, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
Crofter,
This might be what you need.
Henry
How the heck does that crankshaft connect to the lower unit? I want one!